The Hard Shoulder
The Hard Shoulder Podcast with Ciara Kelly and Shane Colman is your essential drivetime companion, bringing fresh perspective and energy to your drive home. It features conversation that counts from Ireland's national independent talk station for news, sport, analysis and entertainment. Listen to Newstalk at newstalk.com/listenlive or download the GoLoud app.
Episodes
The Ultimate Guide: Beaches in Europe
Every week for The Ultimate Guide on The Hard Shoulder, Fionn Davenport takes a closer look at some of the fantastic destinations to visit around the world.This week, Fionn joined Ciara and Shane to give the ultimate guide to beaches in Europe!
IMRO calls for cross-party support to protect music artists from AI
IMRO has called for strong cross-party support for a motion which was before the Dáil today discussing the protections for Irish Artists in the Era of Artificial Intelligence.Joining us to discuss this is Iain Archer, formerly of Snow Patrol and Chair of the Ivors Academy All Ireland Council.
The Bookshelf with Mick Clifford
Mick Clifford, Journalist and author, joins Ciara and Shane to place his favourite book on the Hard Shoulder Bookshelf!
Scrambler Bikes & Public Safety - Barry Whyte Reports
The parents of Grace Lynch have today appeared before the Oireachtas Justice Committee, speaking about the issue of scrambler bikes and public safety.Newstalk’s Chief Reporter Barry Whyte has been covering this, and joins Shane to discuss.
US continue night of strikes against Iran - latest updates
The US has carried out a third consecutive night of strikes against Iran with Donald Trump scrapping his proposal for a 20% fee to guard the Strait of Hormuz insisting it is open to all except Iran...Joining Ciara with the latest is Adam Parsons, Sky News Middle East Correspondent.Image: Reuters
State issues apology to survivors of Bill Kenneally
The Taoiseach has issued a formal state apology to the victims of paedophile Bill Kenneally.Some of those abused by the former basketball coach watched from the distinguished visitor's gallery in the Dáil as Micheál Martin said there was a dereliction of duty on the part of the State.If you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this podcast, you can contact One in Four on their support
New Zara flowy trousers being called “lethal” - why?
New Zara flowy trousers have taken the internet by storm with some referring to them as ‘lethal’ & ‘death pants’... For more on this, Ciara is joined by Judy Gilroy, Stylist.Image: Zara
What documents do you need as a first time renter?
If you’re a renter or looking to start renting for the first time, do you know what documents you are required to provide the letting agent or private landlord?Anecdotal evidence talks about providing months of bank statements and pay slips, as well as references and, in one case, a personality test was required which asked about the individual’s religion, who they would have over, and their book
Why is the manual car dying out?
“The death of the manual car matters. We have been demoted from drivers to cargo” Simon Heptinstall in his spectator article. But why are people moving away from manuals? Joining Ciara to discuss this is Brenda Bolger, owner of Bolger School of Motoring in Kilkenny and Shane O’Donoghue, Editor at CompleteCar.ie.
Do we need a two-tier child benefit system?
A second child benefit payment targeted at the families most in need was first proposed in 2012 by the official Advisory Group on Tax and Social Welfare, so why have we not followed through with it? That’s the question being posed by Fintan O’Toole in the Irish Times today.Joining Shane to discuss this is Suzanne Rodgers of Social Justice Ireland.
How can teenagers get summer jobs?
With the school holidays in full swing and the kids all at home, many of them may be thinking about getting a summer job to fill the time and make some money before school starts back in September.But, how can teenagers get into these jobs without experience, and what kinds of restrictions are there for under 18s working?Joining Ciara with some advice is Career Guidance Counsellor in Carlow, Liz K
Central Bank warn against spending overruns ahead of Budget 2027
The Central Bank Governor, Gabriel Makhlouf, has warned against spending overruns ahead of the Budget 2027.In his annual pre-Budget letter to the Finance Minister, he highlighted that if their spending overruns persist, there could be a €25.7 billion deficit in the public finances by 2030…For more on this, Shane is joined by Economist Austin Hughes…
Why are little moments of joy so psychologically important?
They say joy is in the little things: having fresh sheets, a hot cup of coffee, or maybe hearing your favourite song. These may seem like small things to get excited about, but studies show these brief experiences have a range of benefits, including reduced stress and regulating emotions.Joining Ciara to discuss why these little moments of joy are so important is Counseling Psychologist & Lect
Kids Clinic: Introducing your child to cooking
For this week’s Kids Clinic, Shane and Ciara are joined by Louise Lennox, Chef and Children’s Feeding Therapist from Fussy Eating Kids to discuss how to properly and safely introduce your child to cooking!
Do hosepipe bans work?
A hosepipe ban is becoming “increasingly likely” as the heatwave is expected to continue.Uisce Éireann said they are “very concerned and continue to be concerned” about water supplies in the greater Dublin area, including the capital, Kildare, Meath and Wicklow.But, do they work? For more on this, Ciara is joined by Dr. Jenny Lawlor from the DCU Water Institute.
Department of Education criticised over special education deadline move
The Department of Education has been criticised for bringing forward the special education deadline by a month from October to September, and announcing it online in the middle of the school holidays.Parents, teaching staff, the Irish Primary Principals’ Network (IPPN) and opposition TDs have all railed against the announcement made last Tuesday.Joining Shane to discuss is Jen Cummins, Social Demo
Counter-terrorism police leading Ann Widdecombe death investigation
Counter-terrorism police are now leading the investigation into the death of the former MP and Reform spokesperson Ann Widdecombe in light of “new information and evidence”.Joining Ciara to discuss further is Enda Brady, London-based TRT World Presenter.
How often should you clean the things you use to clean?
Are you guilty of making a common cleaning faux pas that is actually making your home dirtier than when you began cleaning? When was the last time you cleaned the things in your home you used to clean? From the dishwasher to the filter in your washing machine, or even your toilet brush…Joining Shane to discuss is Ann Russell, TikToker and Cleaning Expert.
What child safety measures are needed online?
A special panel from across the EU has brought together young people and experts to give recommendations on child safety measures. One of the things noted in the report was that “While age restrictions for access to social media and other digital services have been met with criticism, they may be a necessary precautionary step”. President Ursula Von Der Leyen also said they are examining a phased
Boyfriend of Jamey Carney detained in Jordan - latest updates
News has broken this afternoon that the boyfriend of Jamey Carney, who was murdered last week in Killarney, has been detained in Jordan.Joining Ciara to give the latest updates is Southern Correspondent at the Irish Independent, Ralph Riegal.
Turf cutting rights - should the laws be overturned?
Stanny Burke, brother of former Fine Gael TD Ulick Burke, has written a letter to Tánaiste Simon Harris about turf-cutting rights. In the letter he asks “What would the Tánaiste suggest we do if the storms hit again?”.Joining Shane for more on this is Jackie Flannery from the Irish Rural Association…
Winners and Sinners
This week, Ciara and Shane were joined by presenter of Weekend Breakfast on Today FM, Alison Curtis and Off the Ball’s Ger Gilroy to look back on the week that was, but with a few twists…
John Cleese on the Fawlty Towers play coming to Dublin
Following its success in London, 'Fawlty Towers the Play' is coming to Dublin. The play, comprising three adapted episodes from the 1970s show, will be in the Bord Gáis Energy Theatre from the 28th of July until the 1st of August.Comedy legend John Cleese, who has adapted the play for the stage, joins Ciara to discuss!
What you need to know about GLP-1s
When you start looking into GLP-1s and weight loss drugs, the amount of information, both good and bad, can become quite confusing.National Clinical Lead for Obesity at the HSE, Donal O’Shea, joins Shane to cut through the noise and discuss what you should know.
Sport with John Duggan: England face France
Off The Ball’s John Duggan joined Ciara and Shane on The Hard Shoulder to review the week in sport and look ahead to the weekend action…
Is Meta doing enough to protect teens?
The European Commission has said Meta needs to implement design changes to both Instagram and Facebook after they were found in breach of EU digital rules because of their addictive design.However, Meta has come out with a statement to say they disagree with those preliminary findings, and that they don't accurately take into account the steps they’ve taken to protect teens.Technology Journalist E
Moygashel bonfire being treated as hate-motivated offense
You would have seen over the past few days that a bonfire erected in the village of Moygashel made headlines after an effigy on a mosque was placed on it. This follows previous bonfires in Moygashel including effigies of a boat full of refugees, and another with a picture of then-Taoiseach Leo Varadkar. The PSNI have arrested a man, and are treating the incident as a hate-motivated offense.Joining
How do we tackle food waste in Ireland?
Minister of State with Special Responsibility for the Circular Economy and Fine Gal TD for Mayo, Alan Dillon, is taking on the challenge to tackle food waste and the amount of food wasted across the country.He is launching a public consultation on this as he believes when food is wasted, so too are the land, water, energy and other resources used to produce it.The Minister joins Shane to discuss.
Can we trust Ambulance Sat Navs?
There have been reports of Ambulance Sat Navs sending their crew to the wrong address. This means they are delayed reaching emergency calls. Sometimes location information disappears, or new housing developments are not included on the map…Joining Ciara to discuss is Lifeline Ambulance Service owner, David Hall.
Death of Ann Widdecombe being investigated as murder - latest updates
The death of former Conservative Minister Ann Widdecombe has led to the launch of a murder investigation, after the 78-year-old was found dead in her home in Devon.Ciara is joined by Vincent McAviney, UK-based Journalist for the latest updates.
Attack on Talbot Street - what needs to change?
A young man has been rushed to hospital after being attacked by a gang with “iron bars” in front of morning commuters on Talbot Street.The attack occurred shortly after 7am this morning...Joining Shane to discuss is Marie Sherlock, Labour TD for Dublin Central.
Movies and TV: The Invite, Moana, Little House on the Prairie
Sarina Bellissimo, Broadcaster and Presenter of the Bellissimo Files Podcast and David O’Callaghan from the Here and Back Again podcast joined Ciara and Shane on The Hard Shoulder to review the latest TV and movie releases…
Can you repurpose your wedding ring after a divorce?
Should you throw away your wedding ring after getting a divorce, or is there a way you can make it into something new? Well, the trend of the defiant divorce ring is on the rise…Chupi Sweetman, owner of Chupi’s Jewelers in Dublin joins Ciara to discuss!
What does NATO’s role look like today?
The NATO Summit took place in Turkey this week and, on paper at least, the summit ended with a message of solidarity, with NATO allies including Trump, affirming their “ironclad commitment” to collective defence under the alliance’s Article 5 pact in a summit declaration.Joining Shane to discuss this is Rose Gottemoeller, former Deputy Secretary General of NATO, who is in Dublin for the Law Socie
The Thursday Interview: Spider Stacy
Co-Founder and now frontman of The Pogues Spider Stacy joins Ciara for this week’s Thursday Interview!
Sport with John Duggan: World Cup Quarter Finals
Off The Ball’s John Duggan joined Ciara and Shane on The Hard Shoulder to review the week in sport and look ahead to the week’s action…
New CSO figures released - what has changed?
The CSO released figures today showing that national inflation has fallen by 0.2% to a four-month low of 3.4%. However, prices in some sectors increased dramatically as items related to ‘recreation, sports, and culture’ rose by 4.3% while ‘housing, water, electricity, gas & other fuels’ rose by 0.6%.Joining Shane to delve into the figures is Kate English, Chief Economist with Deloitte.
Killarney murder investigation & violence against women in Ireland
Gardaí are searching for a man of "significant interest" in connection with the death of a woman in Kerry, with Gardaí believing the man has left the country.Jamey Carney was found dead at her home on Muckross Road in Killarney on Tuesday.Joining Ciara to discuss this is Liz Dunphy, Senior Reporter with the Irish Examiner. Also joining to discuss violence against women in Ireland is Graham Kavanag
RTÉ in front of Public Accounts Committee - what you need to know
RTE’s Director General Kevin Bakhurst appeared before the Oireachtas Public Accounts Committee today, with him saying that RTE aren't looking for extra state funding, but that the national broadcaster have looked into selling off their Montrose site.Joining Ciara to discuss is Louise Burne, political correspondent at the Irish Examiner.
Remembering Bonnie Tyler
Bonnie Tyler, Welsh singer best known for her hit ‘Total Eclipse of the Heart’, has died aged 75.To pay tribute, Shane is joined by Broadcaster who knew Bonnie, Robin Elliott.
How much of a problem are fuel drive-offs?
Fuel drive-offs are now a growing threat to forecourts, garages and retailers across the country. What used to happen occasionally has now become regular, and it’s costing the industry millions every year. All of the service station owners that were surveyed in the Convenience Stores and Newsagents Association (CSNA) survey have experienced a customer driving off and not paying for their fuel in t
Does Ireland have a lack of safe waterways?
Ireland is being blessed with yet another period of warm weather, but are we starting to notice a lack of safe waterways around the country and free leisure facilities because of it?Suzanne Crowe, Consultant in children’s intensive care, joins Shane to discuss.
How to do Stuff: Losing graciously
Life can be full of confusing things, but no need to worry! Every Wednesday, Simon Tierney will be showing you ‘How to do Stuff’ - bringing his best tips for those things you might not think about.This week, Simon joins Ciara and Shane to discuss how to lose graciously!
Why are restaurants using AI to advertise their food?
Food businesses across the country are using AI tools to help them market and sell products, but is it working, or do they all look the same?Joining Shane to discuss is Patrick Hanlon, writer, Food Critic and Columnist with The Journal.ie.
Is our rise in population a factor in road deaths?
93 people have died on our roads so far this year, and this figure is already ahead of last year’s, and we are only in July.The Road Safety Authority (RSA) told the Oireachtas Transport Committee today that we need to consider the rise in population as a factor in road deaths…Paddy Comyn, Head of Automotive Content and Communications with DoneDeal Cars, joins Ciara to discuss this. Also joining to
Hazel Chu on dealing with her breast cancer diagnosis
As Councillor Hazel Chu should have been celebrating her election as Deputy Leader of the Green Party, she found herself battling a breast cancer diagnosis and facing surgery, which she describes as “heartbreaking”. So, how did she manage it?Hazel Chu, Deputy Leader of the Green Party and Breast Cancer Ireland Ambassador, joins Shane and Ciara to discuss.
Sport with John Duggan: Who could win the World Cup?
Off The Ball’s John Duggan joined Ciara and Shane on The Hard Shoulder to review the week in sport and look ahead to the week’s action…
US Ambassador receives criticism over Conor McGregor pub visit
Over the weekend, US Ambassador to Ireland, Edward Walsh travelled to Conor McGregor’s pub, The Black Forge, with the Ambassador posing with McGregor’s fighting belts.The Dublin Rape Crisis have condemned the ambassador saying it normalises sexual violence against women and they are dismayed…Joining Ciara to discuss this is Ruth Coppinger, Solidarity TD.If you have been affected by this interview,
US to launch new strikes at Iran as they end ceasefire - latest updates
US President Donald Trump has said that the US military will launch a fresh wave of strikes at Iran later tonight…Joining Shane to discuss this is Patrick Bury, Defence Expert at the University of Bath, former NATO analyst & Kevin McPartland CEO of Fuels for Ireland.Image: Reuters
Extortionate World Cup ticket prices - Henry McKean Reports
Dynamic pricing at the World Cup has led fans to pay a minimum of one thousand dollars for a ticket. But, why is it allowed, and how are fans coping with the high prices?Henry McKean is just back from New York where the final will be held on Sunday the 19th of July at 8pm Irish time, and joins Ciara to discuss.
Carlton Cinema site lined up for the development of MetroLink
The Carlton Cinema site on O'Connell Street has been bought by Transport Infrastructure Ireland as it looks to transform the location into a central part of the Metrolink project.Joining Shane to discuss this is Sunday Independent Columnist, Conor Skehan.
Should we carry a national ID card?
In today's Irish Times, Columnist Kathy Sheridan wrote a piece on ID cards, noting that we are one of only 2 EU countries that don’t require citizens to carry ID cards. So, should we create national ID cards?Joining Shane to discuss is Antoin Ó Lachtnáin, Director at Digital Rights Ireland.
The Ultimate Guide: Stockport
Every week for The Ultimate Guide on The Hard Shoulder, Fionn Davenport takes a closer look at some of the fantastic destinations to visit around the world.This week, Fionn joined Ciara and Shane to give the ultimate guide to Stockport in Manchester!
New national survey to help schools support parental separation & family change
Parents and teachers across Ireland are being asked to complete a new national survey which will be used to develop new guidelines for primary schools to best support families and children through separation, divorce and other family changes.The survey, which is conducted by One Family, The Separation Network and ‘WHAT WORKS’ aims to provide a broader picture of the best support that can be put in
National Lottery launch campaign to fight retailers selling to children
The National Lottery operator is rolling out a new campaign to reduce what its regulator has called an “unacceptable” number of retailers who are failing to implement rules around the sale of lotto products to children…Joining Ciara to discuss is Carol Boate, Regulator of the National Lottery.
Could farmers be seeing more holidays?
A new proposal for the EU Common Agricultural Policy, or CAP, would allow farmers more room to take holidays and sick leave, with farmers getting an average of only 10.3 days of holiday a year, slightly more than the 20 an industrial worker gets. However, some farmers are still to be convinced about the viability of the scheme.Joining Shane to discuss is Hannah Quinn-Mulligan, an organic beef and
Marine Le Pen allowed to run for office - with electronic tag
The French courts have shortened Marine Le Pen’s ban on running for elected office after they upheld her conviction for embezzling European parliament funds. This could potentially open up a path for the far-right leader to run in the 2027 presidential race.Joining Ciara to discuss is David Herszenhorn, European Affairs Editor at the Washington Post...
The Bookshelf with Frances Fitzgerald
Frances Fitzgerald, member of the Gender Equality Advisory Committee to the G7, former Minister, Tánaiste and MEP, joins Ciara and Shane to place her favourite book on the Hard Shoulder Bookshelf!
Nigel Farage to run in by-election he triggered after resignation
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has announced he is resigning as an MP, triggering a by-election in Clacton.For more on this and Prince Harry losing his Daily Mail privacy case, Shane is joined by Adam Boulton, Political Commentator and former Sky News Political Editor...
Data centres account for almost 25% of Ireland’s electricity usage
New figures from the CSO shows data centres account for nearly a-quarter of electricity usage in Ireland, while electricity consumption rose by ten per cent last year alone…Leader of the Green Party, Roderic O’Gorman, joins Ciara to discuss.
Edward Norton calls Limerick ‘Stab City’ - should the nickname go?
As part of the press tour for their new movie ‘The Invite’ actors Olivia Wilde and Edward Norton were speaking with Sky News reporter Debbie Ridgard and Norton’s Irish ancestry came up, and he mentioned Limerick as ‘Stab City’.While some have found it funny, he’s upset others who feel it's an outdated stereotype and not representative of Limerick currently…Joining Shane to discuss is singer-songwr
Irish MEPs to vote on alumina export ban to Russia
A vote will be held tomorrow on a non-binding motion that seeks to impose EU sanctions preventing the Aughinish Alumina refinery in Limerick from exporting to Russia.Fine Gael are voting in favour of the amendment, but Fianna Fáil are abstaining from the vote, believing sanctions would hurt Europe more than Russia.Joining Ciara to discuss this is Regina Doherty, Fine Gael MEP for Dublin and Cynthi
Should you skip work for the World Cup? - Henry McKean Reports
Jude Bellingham told England fans to text your bosses and say you're not coming into work.Even though the Republic of Ireland didn't qualify for this World Cup, is your boss giving you some wriggle room to enjoy the weather and watch the late night matches in the tournament?Henry McKean in this report…
Should we have mandatory registration for e-scooters?
Junior Minister with Responsibility for Road Safety Seán Canney has said he is “not ruling anything out” when it comes to tackling road safety.One issue on our roads the Minister wants to tackle surrounds e-scooters. There has been an increase in incidents and injuries, with many hospital consultants warning about the dangers of them…Minister Canney says he wants to see mandatory registration for
George Gibney found guilty of sexually abusing four girls
Former swimming coach George Gibney has been found guilty of the attempted rape of a girl in the 1970s. He was also convicted of abusing three other girls on various dates in the 1970s and 1980s.Joining Shane with the latest updates is Newstalk’s Courts Correspondent, Frank Greaney.
Are wind turbines too noisy?
As Ireland transitions away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy sources, we are bound to see more on and off-shore wind turbines popping up around the country. But, one TD has taken issue with turbines around the country, saying the noise they emit is affecting the sleep of local communities…Joining Shane to discuss is Richard O’Donoghue, Independent Ireland TD for Limerick County, and Just
Pico Lopes returns from the World Cup! - Maggie Chambers Reports
Roberto ‘Pico’ Lopes has returned to Ireland after representing Cape Verde in the World Cup. The team was eliminated by Argentina, despite a strong effort from the team.He was met with huge support in Dublin Airport, with Newstalk Reporter Maggie Chambers being able to catch up with him and his family.She joins Shane to discuss.
Kids Clinic: Keeping structure in the summer
For this week’s Kids Clinic, Shane is joined by Iseult White, Psychotherapist and author, to discuss how you can maintain structure for your kids during the summer holidays.
Nigel Farage faces new allegations about his finances
Nigel Farage said he has "done no wrongdoing" after it emerged he did not declare benefits provided by an ally once convicted of fraud in the United States.For more on this, Shane is joined by LBC’s Shelagh Fogarty...
Gardaí suspect fatal Dún Laoghaire shooting was a botched intimidation attack
Mark Cullen, who was shot dead on Sunday morning in Dun Laoghaire, had gone to a pre-arranged meeting before being wounded in the leg and bleeding to death, according to Gardaí. This was the country’s first fatal shooting since 2024.Joining Shane to discuss this incident is Social Democrats Spokesperson for Justice, Gary Gannon.
Why is Trump interfering with the World Cup?
Controversy over the weekend as US President Donald Trump intervened in the World Cup by calling FIFA to review the red card placed on team USA player Folarin Balogun during their match against Bosnia-Herzegovina.Sports Writer Kieran Cunningham joins Shane to discuss why people are not happy over this interference…
Why do we say ‘like’ so much?
“Thirty years on, I can relate to the annoyance that the parents and older people of nineties Ireland must have felt when ‘My So-Called Life’ and the 1995 film ‘Clueless’ breached our shores with the ‘like’ phenomenon. Except this time, it’s ‘bro’.” So, says Emer McLysaght in her recent article in The Journal.But, what importance does slang hold in our vocabulary?Joining Shane to discuss this is S
How bad is antisocial behaviour on buses?
Due to increasing violence onboard buses which sees bus drivers being spat at and verbally and physically assaulted, many bus drivers have no choice but to leave their jobs.Figures from Bus Éireann show 654 incidents of antisocial behaviour on its vehicles in 2025, which is 5% increase on the previous year.Thomas O’Connor, Assistant General Secretary with the National Bus and Rail Union, joins Seá
World Cup roundup - what happened over the weekend?
Cape Verde’s World Cup dream came to an end on Friday night as Argentina edged past them, but that was far from the only sporting drama over the weekend!Joining Shane to discuss what happened and what’s coming up tonight is Ben Symes, Off The Ball’s Football Correspondent.
Offaly the only county to avoid road deaths this year
Over the weekend, five people lost their lives due to collisions on our roads. The number of road deaths has soared by 11% this year when compared to the same period in 2025, but Offaly is the only county in the country that has managed to avoid any road deaths so far this year…Joe Wynne, Driving Instructor from Wynne’s School of Motoring in Tullamore and Fine Gael TD Michael Murphy and Chairperso
Winners and Sinners
This week, Ciara was joined by Off The Ball's Ger Gilroy and Freelance Journalist Niamh O’Reilly to look back on the week that was, but with a few twists...
America’s 250th birthday - what to expect
Tomorrow, the 4th of July, America is celebrating its 250th birthday, for which the U.S. government will host two marquee events on opposite coasts of the country. One of which being as Trump calls it “The most spectacular TRUMP RALLY of them all”...For more on this, Ciara is joined by David Smith, Washington Bureau Chief with The Guardian.
What have been the biggest toy crazes?
If you haven’t heard of NeeDoh yet, chances are you’re about to, as these unassuming-looking fidgets are the latest craze to take over the toy world…There have been plenty of trends over the years from Furbies and Fidget Spinners to Tickle Me Elmo, but what crazes have lived longest in our memory?Joining Ciara to discuss this is Ruth Roberts, owner of Cogs Toys & Games.
Sport with John Duggan: Cape Verde face Argentina
Off The Ball’s John Duggan joined Ciara on The Hard Shoulder to review the week in sport and look ahead to the weekend’s action…
Taylor Swift wedding set for tonight! - Henry McKean Reports
The wedding of the century starts tonight at midnight Irish Time, 7pm New York time. Taylor Swift will today marry Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden, with 1,000 stars and family to be in attendance. Top secrecy around this wedding has made it difficult for the press to be accurate, so a vacuum has been created, but this only encouraged Henry McKean, who joins Ciara to discuss from the Big Appl
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